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		<title>By: CCX</title>
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		<dc:creator>CCX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that might turn some people off from Tsunderes is that they focus too much on the &quot;tsun&quot; part and forget about the &quot;dere&quot;. I suppose what&#039;s so appealing is that there&#039;s a certain immaturity associated with the archetype, like she doesn&#039;t really know how to express her feelings so it comes out in the form of bullying--a reversal of the more stereotypical image of a little boy picking on a girl he likes. (Hence, the twin-tails tie-in; it&#039;s all supposed to make her seem like a little kid in a grown-up body). Why this is so appealing, I can only guess. Maybe it&#039;s because usually women are the mature ones, and we&#039;re insecure about not growing up as quickly? Or maybe we just need to be put in our place once in awhile. (Although that wouldn&#039;t explain &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; attraction, since I&#039;m a total wimp.)

Of course, in my case it&#039;s just a need to find a kindred spirit. :) Not so much the violent aspect--that&#039;s a huge turn-off--but the whole &quot;aloof, pretending not to care&quot; type? Oh yeah, that&#039;s so me.

Oh, and of course, you forgot to mention the most important thing. Tsunderes blush. &lt;i&gt;A lot.&lt;/i&gt; Some of them seem to be stuck in blush mode. And &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; is what makes them so &lt;i&gt;moe&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that might turn some people off from Tsunderes is that they focus too much on the "tsun" part and forget about the "dere". I suppose what's so appealing is that there's a certain immaturity associated with the archetype, like she doesn't really know how to express her feelings so it comes out in the form of bullying&#8211;a reversal of the more stereotypical image of a little boy picking on a girl he likes. (Hence, the twin-tails tie-in; it's all supposed to make her seem like a little kid in a grown-up body). Why this is so appealing, I can only guess. Maybe it's because usually women are the mature ones, and we're insecure about not growing up as quickly? Or maybe we just need to be put in our place once in awhile. (Although that wouldn't explain <i>my</i> attraction, since I'm a total wimp.)</p>
<p>Of course, in my case it's just a need to find a kindred spirit. :) Not so much the violent aspect&#8211;that's a huge turn-off&#8211;but the whole "aloof, pretending not to care" type? Oh yeah, that's so me.</p>
<p>Oh, and of course, you forgot to mention the most important thing. Tsunderes blush. <i>A lot.</i> Some of them seem to be stuck in blush mode. And <i>that</i> is what makes them so <i>moe</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its actually wrong to say the archetypes of tsunderes are an expression of female empowerment. Although, I encounter many girls who think it is, but I cannot understand how physically hurting a male or using violence shows &quot;empowerment&quot;, it is a ridiculous double standard that shouldn&#039;t exist.  I pit the above posters who think this way, most people would agree that violence is not only bad, but male hurting a female is considered WRONG. Yet, you do realize that punching men for talking to you does not make you look feisty and independent, it makes you look dangerously unhinged and would not serve to endear you to anyone, still less the man you&#039;ve just punched?&quot; Absolutely mind-blowing to think strong female characters have to resort to hurting another to show they&#039;re strong. I guess society sees female on male violence acceptable which above all absolutely disgusts me. Female characters don&#039;t have to show any tsuderes tendencies to make them be strong women, let alone violence and the best example of a strong women is Saber from Fate/Stay Night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its actually wrong to say the archetypes of tsunderes are an expression of female empowerment. Although, I encounter many girls who think it is, but I cannot understand how physically hurting a male or using violence shows "empowerment", it is a ridiculous double standard that shouldn't exist.  I pit the above posters who think this way, most people would agree that violence is not only bad, but male hurting a female is considered WRONG. Yet, you do realize that punching men for talking to you does not make you look feisty and independent, it makes you look dangerously unhinged and would not serve to endear you to anyone, still less the man you've just punched?" Absolutely mind-blowing to think strong female characters have to resort to hurting another to show they're strong. I guess society sees female on male violence acceptable which above all absolutely disgusts me. Female characters don't have to show any tsuderes tendencies to make them be strong women, let alone violence and the best example of a strong women is Saber from Fate/Stay Night.</p>
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		<title>By: gen</title>
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		<dc:creator>gen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>honestly i dont know why i like tsunderes?
maybe because im a bratty tsundere myself...

or maybe because they&#039;re not the damsel-in-distress type, they&#039;re strong.
and when someone is being bitchy with them, they strike back.

*and maybe something is wrong with me because i dont find louise annoying.
sometimes i got pissed off, yes, but not because she&#039;s always beating up saito
(but because she should rather beat the hell out of that siesta instead )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>honestly i dont know why i like tsunderes?<br />
maybe because im a bratty tsundere myself&#8230;</p>
<p>or maybe because they're not the damsel-in-distress type, they're strong.<br />
and when someone is being bitchy with them, they strike back.</p>
<p>*and maybe something is wrong with me because i dont find louise annoying.<br />
sometimes i got pissed off, yes, but not because she's always beating up saito<br />
(but because she should rather beat the hell out of that siesta instead )</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Mustang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Mustang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Clannad should have been:

http://www.atalude.net/archives/2009/03/02/clannad-what-should-have-been/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Clannad should have been:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.atalude.net/archives/2009/03/02/clannad-what-should-have-been/" rel="nofollow">http://www.atalude.net/archives/2009/03/02/clannad-what-should-have-been/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roy Mustang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Mustang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like them because they&#039;re not as weak as to die while giving birth to your child.    You lose the love of your life.  You blame and hate your child.   Lose-lose situation for everyone.   

Plus I just dig purple haired characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like them because they're not as weak as to die while giving birth to your child.    You lose the love of your life.  You blame and hate your child.   Lose-lose situation for everyone.   </p>
<p>Plus I just dig purple haired characters.</p>
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		<title>By: Keroko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keroko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like tunderes mostly because they are often stronger characters. In many anime, non-tsunderes either get shoved to the sidelines or spend a lot of time in heavy typical girly emotional turmoil. Sometimes both. I don&#039;t like girls being dedicated to the &#039;you are a girl, I must protect you&#039; role (hence one of the reasons I like Nanoha) and tsunderes by their nature often fight more often then their non-tsundere counterparts. 

This is not always the case, and there are many examples of non-tsunderes with strong personalities, however the will to bite back is always present in a tsundere.

That being said, I only like them to a certain level. Like almost anything in life, too much of one thing can spoil its taste. Louise is a perfect example of &#039;too much tsundere&#039; her abusive behavior goes far past acceptable boundaries and straigt into the &#039;Saito, what on EARTH are you doing with this girl?&#039; territory.

The aforementioned Teana, on the other hand, shows the typical tough tsundere attitude, but does not shy away from showing her more gentle side. 

A general rule of thumb for me is if a tsundere often becomes violent for unreasonable things (such as Louise whipping Saito for doing things she herself asked for), I probably won&#039;t like her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like tunderes mostly because they are often stronger characters. In many anime, non-tsunderes either get shoved to the sidelines or spend a lot of time in heavy typical girly emotional turmoil. Sometimes both. I don't like girls being dedicated to the 'you are a girl, I must protect you' role (hence one of the reasons I like Nanoha) and tsunderes by their nature often fight more often then their non-tsundere counterparts. </p>
<p>This is not always the case, and there are many examples of non-tsunderes with strong personalities, however the will to bite back is always present in a tsundere.</p>
<p>That being said, I only like them to a certain level. Like almost anything in life, too much of one thing can spoil its taste. Louise is a perfect example of 'too much tsundere' her abusive behavior goes far past acceptable boundaries and straigt into the 'Saito, what on EARTH are you doing with this girl?' territory.</p>
<p>The aforementioned Teana, on the other hand, shows the typical tough tsundere attitude, but does not shy away from showing her more gentle side. </p>
<p>A general rule of thumb for me is if a tsundere often becomes violent for unreasonable things (such as Louise whipping Saito for doing things she herself asked for), I probably won't like her.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, great post. Dunno why I didn&#039;t notice it earlier. Secondly, this.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And when it comes down to it, he doesn’t so much “like tsundere characters” as much as like assertive female characters. It’s just that the tsundere character trait often accompanies an assertive character, possibly for ease of audience identification.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ll hold my hand up say I&#039;m guilty as charged; I can see where your friend&#039;s coming from. I actually don&#039;t like the submissive moe archetype at all so assertive characters are a breath of fresh air for me. Like any personality type though, it can be used in a predictable and lazy fashion or just over-used, as any personality archetype can be (moe included. Hell, it&#039;s possible to have moe characters that don&#039;t irritate me).

Why are tsunderes awesome? I&#039;ll say it&#039;s the tsundere trait itself more than a full-on tsundere character because it can indeed be over-used. The duality in personality can happen for a number of reasons, which adds a lot of entertainment value onto the characterisation. &quot;Why is she being so short-tempered and hiding her feelings?&quot; and so forth. Secondly, it is refreshing when the &#039;anime girl&#039; stereotypes are meek, submissive and whatnot. Furthermore, when I interact with people like that IRL I find the more assertive, tsun-tsun people easier to deal with. If they&#039;re annoyed about something, they don&#039;t suffer in silence; they often come across as more honest in that sense.

Of course, that&#039;s the type B you mention. Type As aren&#039;t really that honest since they&#039;re hiding one set of emotions behind another, and are often a bit predictable and one-dimensional (lacking the things I like about the tsundere in the first place!). Watching someone being obnoxious and rude isn&#039;t fun, I&#039;ll admit.

It depends on the time and nature of the &#039;payoff&#039; though. To me the tsundere of Toradora! is Taiga - she has real problems admitting to even herself that she cares about Ryuuji. Granted, her tsun-tsun behaviour is either funny or grating depending on your personal tastes but it&#039;s entertaining, and rewarding in a way, to see her notice and then think about her true feelings.

I was expecting to write a rambling comment (I did &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2008/02/16/flame-hazes-and-misanthropic-medics-in-defence-of-the-tsundere/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a post about this&lt;/a&gt; on my old blog absolutely ages ago...hopefully including a link won&#039;t get this comment eaten by your spam filter) but it&#039;s turned out to be even more tl;dr than I expected...sorry about that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, great post. Dunno why I didn't notice it earlier. Secondly, this.</p>
<blockquote><p>And when it comes down to it, he doesn’t so much “like tsundere characters” as much as like assertive female characters. It’s just that the tsundere character trait often accompanies an assertive character, possibly for ease of audience identification.</p></blockquote>
<p>I'll hold my hand up say I'm guilty as charged; I can see where your friend's coming from. I actually don't like the submissive moe archetype at all so assertive characters are a breath of fresh air for me. Like any personality type though, it can be used in a predictable and lazy fashion or just over-used, as any personality archetype can be (moe included. Hell, it's possible to have moe characters that don't irritate me).</p>
<p>Why are tsunderes awesome? I'll say it's the tsundere trait itself more than a full-on tsundere character because it can indeed be over-used. The duality in personality can happen for a number of reasons, which adds a lot of entertainment value onto the characterisation. "Why is she being so short-tempered and hiding her feelings?" and so forth. Secondly, it is refreshing when the 'anime girl' stereotypes are meek, submissive and whatnot. Furthermore, when I interact with people like that IRL I find the more assertive, tsun-tsun people easier to deal with. If they're annoyed about something, they don't suffer in silence; they often come across as more honest in that sense.</p>
<p>Of course, that's the type B you mention. Type As aren't really that honest since they're hiding one set of emotions behind another, and are often a bit predictable and one-dimensional (lacking the things I like about the tsundere in the first place!). Watching someone being obnoxious and rude isn't fun, I'll admit.</p>
<p>It depends on the time and nature of the 'payoff' though. To me the tsundere of Toradora! is Taiga &#8211; she has real problems admitting to even herself that she cares about Ryuuji. Granted, her tsun-tsun behaviour is either funny or grating depending on your personal tastes but it's entertaining, and rewarding in a way, to see her notice and then think about her true feelings.</p>
<p>I was expecting to write a rambling comment (I did <a href="http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2008/02/16/flame-hazes-and-misanthropic-medics-in-defence-of-the-tsundere/" rel="nofollow">a post about this</a> on my old blog absolutely ages ago&#8230;hopefully including a link won't get this comment eaten by your spam filter) but it's turned out to be even more tl;dr than I expected&#8230;sorry about that!</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tsundere is always fun to have around. The type of tsundere range from the soft to the hard one. Moreover, tsundere girl like Aisaka Taiga is the perfect example for it but for Loiuse in Zero no Tsukaima is really a unrealistic tsundere.. poor Saito. 

I was thinking about writing a Tsundere post on my blog too since you post it I have a great increase my knowledge of it. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tsundere is always fun to have around. The type of tsundere range from the soft to the hard one. Moreover, tsundere girl like Aisaka Taiga is the perfect example for it but for Loiuse in Zero no Tsukaima is really a unrealistic tsundere.. poor Saito. </p>
<p>I was thinking about writing a Tsundere post on my blog too since you post it I have a great increase my knowledge of it. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Rah'ra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rah'ra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A tsundere is a girl with a passive-aggressive personality, combined with good social graces that comes from a healthy and attractive body.  It&#039;s like a giant oxymoron.  I don&#039;t think such creatures can exist in reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A tsundere is a girl with a passive-aggressive personality, combined with good social graces that comes from a healthy and attractive body.  It's like a giant oxymoron.  I don't think such creatures can exist in reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a line, I think, between a realistic &quot;tsundere&quot; who is simply suspicious or passionately independent, and the dumbed-down archetype who swings between two unrealistically extreme poles. Louise is an example of the latter; Taiga a bit more moderated, to pick two roles by the same voice actress. That&#039;s the problem anything gets turned into an arche/stereotype; you take appealing characteristics (forthrightness, spunk) and drive them into the ground. Danged lazy writers!

I liked this analysis a lot, so much that I decided to feature it on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailysite.com/info/anime&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a brand new anime channel for Dailysite&lt;/a&gt;! Every day I pick a new link to feature on the Dailysite anime channel, and if you make that your starting page, you get taken to articles like yours automatically. I hope it helps your traffic just a bit :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's a line, I think, between a realistic "tsundere" who is simply suspicious or passionately independent, and the dumbed-down archetype who swings between two unrealistically extreme poles. Louise is an example of the latter; Taiga a bit more moderated, to pick two roles by the same voice actress. That's the problem anything gets turned into an arche/stereotype; you take appealing characteristics (forthrightness, spunk) and drive them into the ground. Danged lazy writers!</p>
<p>I liked this analysis a lot, so much that I decided to feature it on <a href="http://www.dailysite.com/info/anime" rel="nofollow">a brand new anime channel for Dailysite</a>! Every day I pick a new link to feature on the Dailysite anime channel, and if you make that your starting page, you get taken to articles like yours automatically. I hope it helps your traffic just a bit :)</p>
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